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Unintentionally killed the conversation. ;_;
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I'd think tulpas aren't as much about an identity – Robert Downey Jr. can identify with Iron Man – as much as they are about consciousness – RDJ is conscious he's not Iron Man
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This is correct. My host and I have a number of identities scattered around and they are never supposed to be shared due to the danger of having too much of ourselves out there.
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Can you elaborate on that a little bit, @Jas
10:32 PM
I don't think I understand
10:36 PM
When we decide to join an online community, in an attempt to preserve our feelings of information security, we will create a new identity specifically for that community. There will be no unique identifiers connecting the two identities, and the sorts of behaviors that produce naturally in new social contexts generally coalesce into a distinct way of acting that is not the same as the rest
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Thanks for the help guys sorry for late reply
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The primary difference in method acting/knowing a character as well as you would a tulpa and being able to do the equivalent of switching with them, is pretty obvious and clear-cut: There's no separate entity, or interaction between them.
4:57 AM
The definition of a tulpa literally requires they be able to independently interact with the host.
4:58 AM
Otherwise, as for what's actually going on in the brain when switching, it may well be similar to method acting, if that's the right term. You're basically becoming someone else for all intents and purposes. Only, a tulpa is a normal person, whereas acting as a character requires you significantly limit mental interaction with the world to retain the character's character.
4:59 AM
A tulpa thrust into the same scenario would start developing as a person immediately, and by the end of the filming of the movie they would probably not be much like the character anymore.
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what if I don’t really interact with hostey mostly because we have too few shared interests?
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I wonder how often that is, if a tulpa is mostly internal vs mostly external (edited)
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What do those terms mean?
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Like, when a tulpa mostly talks to the host, vs if a tulpa mostly talks to other people
12:34 PM
I think like most tulpas mostly talk to their hosts.
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By that definition we'd all be "external"
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Or their headmates.
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I feel like there are at least some exceptions to the rule. Makes me wonder how it might pair with development or "style" of the tulpas
12:36 PM
Like, would a person who makes a tulpa because they are curious about things be more likely to have a tulpa that's "inside their head"? Would extroverts be more likely to have tulpas that talk to other people? That sorta thing.
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We're definitely introverts
12:37 PM
we just get a lot more out of interacting with others and fronting than we do just remaining inside
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Does writing a bunch of books and papers count as internal or external behaviour?
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Our host likes when we front, too
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I would probably count that as external
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Does possessing the body and doing work count as internal or external?
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Deleted User 7/4/2018 12:38 PM
Luna is more "external", Ysera more "internal" I guess, in our case. Although both of them they are both external and internal anyway. (edited)
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external would be when the tulpa is "acting outward" rather than communicating or interacting through the host
12:40 PM
I feel like it's more one of those things that models, rather than actually a "predictive trait" of a tulpa. You can say you have a tulpa that's mostly external, but the tulpa isn't actually "mostly external" it's just you having a current lean towards that behavior. That said, it might not be that way either
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That is an interesting question.
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If we manage to pump up pleeb's patreon maybe he can go and found a foundation of tulpamancy science and do research on the topic
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Or a survey
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Oh, I would love some proper research on tulpas.
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Pleeb has long been an inspiration to us for our own research. I will have to look into his research.
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does he do research?
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I may be convinced to donate to it if he has a concrete game plan.
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i was joking about the researchfoundation
2:47 PM
Sorry if my typing is terrible at the moment, and for not making that clear.
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He did last time I checked?
3:17 PM
That was years ago, however.
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I've considered researching the community from an anthropological/ethnographic perspective.
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Deleted User 7/4/2018 6:08 PM
Having two tulpas (as it looks from badges) makes you quite biased researcher.
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So far as I'm concerned, you can't research the community or the validity of tulpamancy from the viewpoint of being a tulpamancer
6:09 PM
there is too much of a conflict of interest, in my opinion, for valid study to come from it
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Yeah. This is true. But you can do an ethnography from an emic perspective.
6:09 PM
You just have to be upfront about what your goals are.
6:11 PM
You just have to be careful to as much as possible present the etic perspective as well.
6:14 PM
From a psychological perspective, I agree. You want at least a co-author who isn't involved in tulpamancy at all. Might even be difficult from a sociological perspective.
6:15 PM
But an insider ethnography on the tulpamancy community, and the plural community more broadly is doable.
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An insider account would be good, I feel
6:16 PM
I think there are way too many "professional DID researchers" researching DID and similar topics, and not enough "normal uninvested psychologists"
6:16 PM
making themselves a cult of support, papers built atop papers atop papers with no real strong evidence and lots of handwaving about "lots of scientists support X"
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 7/4/2018 6:17 PM
Mob mentality != evidence
6:17 PM
"Everyone thinks this, so it's clearly true!"
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Plus there are lots of high profile .... hiccups... in the validity of research into plurality as a whole. Like my favorite scientist Dr Bennet Braun
6:18 PM
Psychologist?
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Pat Burgus thought she would soon be healed when psychiatrist Bennett Braun began treating her for multiple personality disorder. Instead, under hypnosis and on heavy medication, Burgus came to believe she possessed 300 personalities, ate human flesh, and sexually abused her ...
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 7/4/2018 6:18 PM
Well then
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A ton of people were literally citing this guy in the "piles of evidence for tulpa being real" posts that were floating about on the subreddit.
6:19 PM
indirectly, through a new york times article
6:19 PM
you have to be very very careful with the "science" parroted around these parts
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 7/4/2018 6:20 PM
I mean, that goes for any science at all
6:20 PM
Gotta thoroughly vet your sources
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specifically, when someone says "one person with DID was allergic to something another person was not"
6:20 PM
that comes from this guy
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I remember that one
6:20 PM
timmy was allergic to orange juice?
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some people are allergic to radio waves and water
6:21 PM
"allergic"
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If we're talking about a psychological perspective, I have to agree reguile.
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water might be explainable by being allergic to other stuff in water as it tends to not be pure although water itself makes no sense
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I want articles by people who are studying DID from a nonclinical angle.
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Breloomancer 7/4/2018 6:23 PM
It isn't entirely untrue that they aren't alergic, they aren't alergic to radio waves, but due to the placibo effect they are still alergic to perceived radio waves (edited)
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Because a clinical perspective is going to enforce certain research biases.
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there are probably anthropological studies of DID
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If you can find one, fire it my way
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And that's fine, if the researchers have the brains and spine to say that it is a placebo effect instead of lazily trying to justify something they want to be true with flimsy evidence
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I'm bad at searching on JSTOR
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And it's fine to be allergic to water as well, if that's what you experience then that's perfectly okay and I wouldn't seek to screw with people in that place, call them fakers, or otherwise
6:25 PM
but science isn't an interpersonal relationship
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Serious ethnography of online communities is only ten years old or so. (edited)
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@Esehl a few minute of searchings and I've found links to a few paper although most of them seem to be about either how anthropology and psychology treat dissociation differently while only using DID merely as a point of reference or using it as an example as to how culture influences what is and isn't a disorder and what people think about disorders (at least that's what I understood from the abstracts, they were all like full papers not articles that summarize)
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Got any titles?
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This article explores the social construction of multiple personality disorder by analyzing professional agreements about the nature of the diagnosis, while locating these within their historical and...
6:36 PM
Dissociation is something everyone is familiar with, but thinks of in different ways: movie plots about Dissociative Identity Disorder and amnesia, possession and trances stories in textbooks and o…
6:36 PM
those are the main two I looked at breifly
6:36 PM
although I didn't go very deep into the search
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I'll look and see if I can get past the paywalls later
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I don't think either has a paywall, atleast the second doesn't it's all right there, the other one says you need to log in that might require paying idk
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Second seems interesting. Seems to take a bioanthro bent, which isn't surprising given the subject matter.
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I'd be interested in a psychological or bioanthro study of the mechanics of dissociation across the plural community
6:51 PM
But DID is clinical, so maybe that's just where the fruit is hanging lowest.
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Some person on Reddit (finally on it) mentioned that they couldn’t hear their tulpa calling for them when they were focused on something else. I guess we’ve got to make the assumption here that this person can parallel process. What do you think? How aware are we of our tulpas’ thoughts? How well can we block them out?
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Deleted User 7/5/2018 9:05 AM
I think it's wishful thinking of the guy. There is no basis for tulpas talking to us and we not hearing them.
9:05 AM
And tulpas do confabulate
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I thought so too. But what about blocking thoughts? It’s not too easy for us when the thought is simple and powerful.
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